Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today, to get through this thing called life, electric word ‘life’, it means forever and that’s a mighty long time. It could be said that Rock ‘n’ Roll forms a wild river that runs its course through the second half of the twentieth century, as the social upsetter that disrupts bland complacency while expressing the liberationist aspirations of generations for fun, freedom and the right to party. In some guises, it continues to do just that. But if Wild Rivers rock, they rock gently.
Wild Rivers are a genre-fluid Toronto-based platinum indie-Folk trio originally formed at Queen’s University in Kington, Ontario as the duo of Devan Glover (vocals) – who spent her childhood in London before returning to Canada, half-Egyptian Khalid Yassein (vocals, guitar, keyboard), joined by Andrew Oliver (lead guitar, synths and ‘Swiss army knife’). There’s also a young-adult novel by Rodman Philbrick called ‘Wild River’, that sends readers rushing down a raging torrent on a life-or-death white water rafting adventure that goes terribly wrong.
Their second 2024 single, ‘Cave’, opens with fret-clicks and a soft-Stones riff, with more upfront electric guitar enhanced by a cut-up video from Weird Candy. It’s a driving alt-pop track that layers elements of Blues and Rock under smooth ‘smoke ‘em if you got ‘em’ vocal harmonies. It’s a break-up song, she waits for his ‘we need to talk’ – the four words no-one wants to hear, but she inevitably caves in. The song includes a neat lyric structure-trick – ‘don’t lie, if you’re gonna do it, do it’ echoed from earlier single ‘Don’t’, ‘I thought time would change it, but it won’t.’ Like an afterthought, hung on the edge of every moment. These are songs that ripple out from their collective fingertips to assume their own lives. A raw tenderness with delicate force, these are songs that chart the shimmering line between love and loss.
I’d been primed to expect a glacially impenetrable cool, and yet here’s a nonstop anecdote-gun on Mona Lisa Overdrive.
Khalid: I have to apologise because I didn’t know this Zoom! location makes it look like I’m wearing one of those hats with – like, a helicopter on top! (he’s in a white room with a huge rotor fan overhead which does make him look like a Propellor-head).
Me: It’s very stylish.
Khalid: My signature look!
Me: Where are you all speaking from? The three of you seem to be in different locations.
Khalid: I’m in Nashville, Tennessee. And it’s a hot day today.
Andrew: I’m in Toronto, Canada. Back home. The Head Office. (He has shelving to the right of him with potted plants and an aromatic diffuser showing a spray of sticks)… and Dev’s in Los Angeles.
Devan: I’m in LA (she’s smiling, her hair pulled back from her face). Yes, we got four different time-zones right here!
Me: We are definitely transglobal. Congratulations on a fine new album with Never Better, you must be very pleased with it.
Khalid: We are. It was a delight to make, and it’s fun to listen back to it now. We are excited that people are excited about our music, and that we get to finally give people the music that we’ve been teasing for so long.
Me: Starting off with the very basics, why are you called Wild Rivers? Is there a book or a movie that you took the name from?
Khalid: There were maybe five-hundred names in the potential band-name hat, and we really couldn’t choose. There used to be Devan & Khalid when we were just a duo (he indicates with his fingers), and we just could not decide on a name for the life of us. So we booked a show to announce our name… as a kind-of ‘we have to choose a name by then’ – and Wild Rivers was our favourite that day, we’re like ‘we’ve got to print the T-shirts for tomorrow!’ So, it was also a cool name ‘cos there was a little poem that we found when we looked up ‘Wild Rivers’ for like… to see if anyone else had the band-name, and the line in it said ‘it’s better to plunge into the wild river’ as kind-of a metaphor for taking a big risk in life, and chasing a dream, and that very much felt like what we were doing as a bunch of people who hadn’t started out with music as ‘Plan A’, and kind-of fell into it. So, it fit. We printed it on the T-shirts and it stuck.
Me: I’m sure it makes a very stylish T-shirt to wear with your propellor hat!
Khalid: You got it!
Me: In your song ‘Thinking ‘Bout Love’ you sing about the woman ‘finding some man with no Rock ‘n’ Roll band’ – do you consider Wild Rivers to be a Rock ‘n’ Roll band? Isn’t Rock ‘n’ Roll something of a Heritage Industry this far into the Twenty-First century? How do you define your sound?
Khalid: Uh-Huh. Erm – live, I would say we are Rock ‘n’ Roll. We like all kinds of different music. I think we all wish that it was the Sixties or the Seventies, a time when we didn’t have to put a genre-name to our music, where James Taylor or Paul Simon could put out a record that was totally different and yet it still felt just like music and songs and singer-songwriter. But I think we pride ourselves on being a real band, like a real band that plays guitars and sings and drums, and everything is live – so, it feels like Rock ‘n’ Roll on our best days.
Andrew: Ideally, yes. I think it’s a cooler thing to say a lot of the time, rather than saying singer-songwriter or Folk. And I think, yeah – as Khalid said, our live show is a lot more energetic and Rock ‘n’ Roll than our recorded music.
Khalid: I feel like, not to get too philosophical about it, but Rock ‘n’ Roll is kinda like an idea, and really, there are no Rock ‘n’ Roll bands that are in the mainstream right now… but Rock ‘n’ Roll to me is… what we do is, we get into the garage and we rehearse and we play a bunch of songs and we write songs that way, and rearrange them, and we’re not making music on a computer the whole time. It’s more… like, a band, if that makes sense?
Me: More organic.
Khalid: Yeh.
Me: You have had drummers in the past, you had Julien Laferriere and then Ben Labenski. But now you are back to just the drummerless trio.
Devan: We have an amazing live drummer and bass-player who come on tour with us, our new drummer is named Julian Savoyez and our bass-player is Abi David, but they are touring members. The three of us still work on the music internally, and then we have – like, a larger crew for when we play the shows. (She drinks from a big disposable cup.)
Khalid: And Julian played on our latest record too, so this is kind-of our live band. This is, like, the extended band and we’ve played hundreds of shows with them now, since we started playing after the pandemic. They’re amazing. So we wanted to bring that into the record too, and have the same group, and work like a traditional band. While most of the writing is done between the three of us.
Me: Has Toronto got a good music scene?
Devan: I’d say so, yes. (There’s a moment of confusion about who is going to speak.)
Andrew: I was just going to say… the winter gives us a lot of time to just stay indoors, and it makes you want to be creative. I think there’s not as much kind-of collaborations with other artists and stuff like there is in Nashville or LA. That’s partially due to the real-estate situation, everyone has smaller apartments and things where there’s not as much room to have studios and stuff. But in terms of – like, finding your own little community and playing together, it’s a great city for that, and there’s – like, lots of Government Grants and things like that which are super-supportive of the arts. That really helped us when we were just starting. And some of the radio laws make it so that they have to support Canadian and domestic content. They put a lot of effort into supporting young artists.
Me: Most bands start out doing covers until they begin to work their own material into the set. You’ve not recorded any cover versions of other people’s songs.
Devan: We haven’t recorded any, but we did start out doing covers. Khalid and I were – we went to University together. That’s where we met and kinda just started playing together before we were officially a band. We played so many covers, so many embarrassing ones that I hope never surface on the internet! But for a long time we had a residency at a Bar every Sunday for three hours and we kinda say that that’s where we got our ten-thousand hours of just singing together, harmonising together, performing to no-one or maybe to two or three of our friends. But every week our set would grow and grow, it just allowed us to really understand what performing is, and it gave us the confidence to then go and record our own music. But for a long time it was many many covers. So yes, we should record one. We should. We play a cover in our live set, so it would be nice to capture that and put it out one day. (She takes another deep drink from her throw-away cup.) We did ‘I’m With You’ by Avril Lavigne two tours ago. And last tour it was ‘If It Makes You Happy’ by Sheryl Crow.
Me: We don’t really need to go much further to talk influences, because very early on you recorded a unique song called ‘Paul Simon’ which catches some Simonesque guitar technique and mentions both ‘I Am A Rock’ and ‘My Little Town’ in the lyrics.
Khalid: Mmmm, sometimes there’s a cheeky outro to that song. I end up by playing the intro to ‘I am a rock, I am an island’ – but yeah, definitely, Paul Simon is a huge huge inspiration. Yeah, that’s probably like one of the first songs, one of the first songs that I ever wrote that we played. And it’s still kind-of a special song. We actually recorded that first as Devan & Khalid, when we had… Our parents gave us one day of studio time during which we recorded – like, five songs. So there’s an even older version of that song. But – yeah, it feels very indicative of the time, to me, of when we were at University playing those cover gigs, driving around in the mini-van trying to go to the next-door cities and really starting to become a band. It was a really special time where we had no idea what we were doing, but it was a lot of fun…
Me: Has Paul Simon responded, did he get back to you? or has there been no response from Rhymin’ Simon?
Khalid: He didn’t. I’m waiting for the lawsuit. I think that’s what I was hoping for. A little publicity. But, if we ever meet him, maybe I’ll tell him.
Me: Have you ever seen him play live?
Khalid: I haven’t. I was supposed to see him and Garfunkel a couple of years ago, but Artie was sick with something, so they cancelled. But I heard he’s about to announce some shows, maybe he’s had some ear tinnitus issues that has prevented him from playing live, but I would love to see him.
Me: Tinnitus… that’s what you get for living the Rock ‘n’ Roll lifestyle!
Khalid (laughs): Yeah. I guess so. Not great for the rest of us!
Me: One of the stand-out tracks on your second album, Sidelines, was ‘Amsterdam’. Did you ever get to Amsterdam?
Devan: We did, a couple of times. It was a cool experience. Amsterdam is such a great music city, and that was one of our first times ever touring Europe. That was the biggest show we played, which was such a surprise because we would have thought maybe an English-speaking market would’ve resulted in a larger show. But they are just such music fans there – yes, being able to play our song ‘Amsterdam’ there was cool too.
Me: But when you wrote the song ‘Amsterdam’, you hadn’t been to Amsterdam.
Devan: No. It was a song about someone else.
Khalid: It was a manifestation. We wrote it, and it happened. So coming up next I think I’m gonna write a song called ‘Brand New Ferrari’, and then maybe we can all get Rolex watches and Ferrari cars!
Me: Product Placement? Did you visit the Anne Frank House when you were in Amsterdam?
Devan: No. We’ve never really had more than a day there. So I would definitely want to go back and do some touristy historical things. But – we DID ride some bikes!
Me: Belgian pancakes are very good.
Devan: I had one of those. It was really good!
Me: Your biggest hit was with the Wrabel mix of ‘Thinking ‘Bout Love’. How did that collaboration come about? Did you approach him? Did you physically meet?
Khalid: Yes. I think he was someone we had a lot of mutual friends with, and we were fans of his music. We happened to be on the label, and we wanted to kind of explore what else we could do with that song, because the original EP version was such a live recording, it was such a band song. We made it in Nashville, played all the instruments and cut it like a traditional band, but we felt it could kinda be cool as a more Pop song too. Because we have – like, two sides to our taste, where we love Paul Simon and – for lack of a better term, organic-recorded traditional music, but we are complete Pop-heads too and love R&B, what’s on the charts like Maggie Rogers and stuff like the Indie-Pop world. So we felt as though ‘Thinking ‘Bout Love’ could have – like, another identity, and Wrabel’s voice is amazing, so we got together in LA and – fantastic hilarious guy, and we spent the day reworking the songs, all of us, and a (Canadian) producer called Stint. It turned out into a completely different thing that we love. I felt it gave like a different kind of tone to the song, it felt like in some ways a little more sombre, it emotionally felt a bit different which was a really cool part of it.
Me: It sounds a little bit like the way William Orbit remixed and produced for Madonna, with that electronic rippling sound. Do you know him?
Khalid: No, I don’t. Who is the person… William what? I’m unfamiliar.
Me: He also worked with All Saints here in the UK.
Devan: Oh! I loved All Saints. They were my favourite band for a long time.
Me: Wrabel is very socially involved in causes. Whereas most of your songs are relationship songs, love, breaking-up, making-up…
Khalid: I mean – yeah, we are a little bit more self-centred. But I would say, I like to think that we are pretty involved in social causes too. A lot of our music does come from personal experience, and there’s a lot of relationships and heartbreaks and coming-of-age and different kinds of personal stuff that feels true and important to us. But one of our band pillars is trying to bring people together and try to spread love and positivity, to create a space where everybody feels welcome. So, we’re really glad that we could align with… everything that Wrabel does is amazing, especially for the Gay and Trans community. So it felt – like, very natural and happy for us to align with a cause that we all support.
Me: Some songwriters write solo. Or with a songwriting partner. But ‘Cave’ credits four other names. How does that work out? Were you all in the same room together?
Devan: It was more of a piecemeal situation for that song. Yes. It’s funny ‘cos that is the song with the most writers on it, it looks like a hip-hop song or something. But – the three of us had a session in London with two producers who go under the name ‘MyRiot’ (Tim Bran & Roy Kerr), and we wrote a song called ‘Sweet Tooth’. Then Khal had had a session in Nashville with – I think, two other writers and they had written another song. We loved both of the songs, but something didn’t feel quite right about each of them, so we were, like, ‘what if we just try and put them together?’ Lyrically and thematically they linked, they work around a similar topic, so – it’s fun when that happens, ‘cos you can kind-of pick the best bits of the songs and make them into one mega-song (she mimes the act of picking ideas out of the air with both hands).
Khalid: We also wrote more songs for this record than we’ve probably ever written. For the first album – it had nine or ten songs, and we probably wrote nine or ten songs. So this one we had way more to pull from, and there were so many different ideas, musical ideas, lyrical ideas – so, part of the process on this album was, like, cherry-picking, OK – what do we like about this one? We like the groove, we like the musical feel of this song but the lyrics are totally off, so we all got together and we re-wrote it totally. It was like, much more of a non-linear process for a lot of the songs, which made for a more diverse musical output (he slows and chooses his words carefully). What we wanted to do with this record was, like, have all the songs feel good the whole time. We start, and it feel engaging, then we take a left turn in the middle of the song, but stay fun and stay fresh the whole time. What we’ve traditionally done very well as a band is like a very subtle tasteful slow build, and we arranged the songs and really-like coddled them the whole time. Where we have a song and we serve it in ‘the right way’, how we feel it should be. But this time we wanted to just be brave and bold, and make bold decisions in the studio – mashing up that song was one of them, where we were like ‘we just don’t like this part’, we wanted to go ‘here’ in the song, so why don’t we just inject this part of the song with this other song? That was kinda like the kind of music-making we were doing. Which, considering our position of what we’ve done in the past, on this one we wanted to go ‘no rules’.
Me: Do you have a ‘Sweet Tooth’, Devan?
Devan: I definitely do. I feel like I am the person in the band that probably eats the most sweets and candy and chocolate. I’m always in the tour-van just getting gas-station snacks and… trying to kick the habit, but…
Khalid: Nothing wrong with a sweet tooth.
Devan: I grew up in the UK, so I feel like it comes from that, y’know, everybody in the UK loves sweets, and I just brought that with me my whole life.
Me: This album feels more textured than your previous work. ‘Cave’ even starts out with what sounds suspiciously like a Rolling Stones lick.
Khalid: I want them to sue us too. We want all the beef.
Devan: This is us trying to prove that we are Rock ‘n’ Roll, by taking from the Rock ‘n’ Roll heroes.
Me: You toured with Canadian singer-songwriter Donovan Woods.
Khalid: He’s a great guy. We did one of our first tours opening for him. Fantastic guy. Amazing songwriter. He taught us a lot about playing live on some of our first tours.
Me: He appeared quite a reserved retiring kind of man when I interviewed him.
Andrew: He’s hilarious on stage. It’s almost like a stand-up comedy set the whole time. But then, yeah – in person he’s a little more quiet, for sure.
Me: And later you toured with the Chicks – formerly the Dixie Chicks.
Devan: That was an unreal experience. That was our first big big tour that we’d ever been on, and all of us grew up listening to them, it was just a… and talk about aligning with Social Causes, they are so amazing at being… at speaking up about what they believe in, raising positivity and standing up for Gay Trans rights. It was very inspiring to see the way that they operate. Not only as a band of people that take their families on tour, and really – like, nurture the life of a sustainable artist’s career. But also the way they carry themselves onstage. They are just so unapologetically themselves, and it was really really cool to see.
Me: Did you enjoy touring on that scale?
Devan: Yes. We were spoiled on that tour.
Andrew: There was catering!
Devan: We were – like, ‘Oh no, this is not a good thing, because we’re never going to be able to get back in the tour van, now that we’ve had a taste of the big stage and the catering and everybody helping – all hands on deck,’ it was a treat. But then we went to Europe and we were squashed in our tiny little van and we were – like, ‘wait, where’s the catering!?!?’
Khalid: We kinda earned it. Like, I think, we’ve been a band for like seven or eight years, and we’ve done every level of show and every level of touring, tour-managed ourselves, we’ve lugged all the gear, so – I feel like, we have a sense of pride that we’ve done all of the band things, we’ve shared five people in a Motel room and really roughed it. So – when you get the big opportunities, you feel like you’ve done your time, and also that you’re totally ready to play – like, any show. I think that we were all proud that on the Chicks show and on the Noel Kahan tour (Noel broke through massively with his 2017 hit ‘Hurt Somebody’), we had played – like, a thousand shows before that, and we weren’t nervous, it was just another show, and you can kinda rise to the occasion when you’re – like, very… seasoned.
Me: Is there anything else you want to say about the band or the new album that we’ve not already covered?
Khalid: I think we… we think of the album Never Better… which is also the title of one of the songs on the album, and the song itself is kind-of a fond relationship song, where you’re maybe seeing someone that you shouldn’t be seeing, for whatever reason, but you’re throwing caution to the wind, which is like a different kind of song for us than a ‘cry in your bedroom alone’ kind of song, but we thought Never Better made a good album title too, it was representative of what we felt like as a band making this record in this way, in the desert, at an Airbnb where we all just made music and we barbequed every night, and we were a real band… and we felt like we had done all of the shows, we have done all the practice and we were just kinda having fun as a band – and we were ‘Never Better’! This is kind of the peak of what we do, and we were confident in our music and just like – having fun, so that’s kind-of the sentiment and the idea we were thinking about with this record. Which we hope reflects in the music too. It’s meant to be fun. It’s meant to be confident. It’s meant to be – this is who we are, and be unapologetic about it.
Me: It’s a great album. I enjoyed it.
Khalid: I’m glad you did. That’s one. We got one of them! Hopefully we’ll see you on that side of the pond when we travel over there. Do you need something more controversial for the interview heading?
Devan: ‘Wild Rivers Rips The Rolling Stones In Their Attempt To Be a Rock ‘n’ Roll Band’!
Khalid: ‘Paul Simon Plagiarists’! Feel free. We’re not afraid of anything!
Devan: If you need any dirt, this is the time, y’know? We actually have no dirt. We are a modern Rock ‘n’ Roll band, we wear earplugs, and we go to sleep early, and we steam our voices. That’s the modern Rock ‘n’ Roll!
(PS: Steaming is one of the best things you can do for your voice. Regularly inhaling steam from heated water can keep your voice in good condition and prevent vocal strains. Breathing in steam brings moisture into your voice box and soothes the vocal folds. It hydrates your vocal cords and reduces swelling and irritation.)
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BY ANDREW DARLINGTON
Wild Rivers Singles:
‘I Do’ (2019)
‘Pink Shades’ (2020, 7” 33 1/3 rpm blue vinyl flexi, Wild Rivers self-release) ‘you’re taking all your meds and you had a couple good days,’ also Live from Lockdown in a Toronto Mod Club.
‘Love Gone Wrong’ (January 2021)
‘Amsterdam’ (June 2021)
‘Thinking ‘Bout Love’ Wild Rivers with Wrabel (March 2022, Nettwerk AAC single) written by Yassein with Robyn Dell’Unto.
‘Don’t’ (2023, Nettwerk) 3:02 ‘I thought time would change it, but it won’t.’
‘Everywhere I Go’ (2024) 2:56, their first single in over a year, co-written with Alex Hope (Troye Sivan, Alex Benjamin, Selena Gomez) and Brett Truitt (Banners, Shoffy).
‘Cave’ (2024, Nettwerk) 2:58, co-written with pop production duo MyRiot – Tim Bran & Roy Kerr (Primal Scream, James Morrison, Halsey), Jarrad Kritzstein (Ruston Kelly, Elohim), and Kate York (Little Big Town, Nashville).
EPs:
‘Eighty-Eight’ (Factor, June 2018) with Ben Labenski (drums)
1. ‘A Week Ago’ (2:43) Glover, Yassein, Justin Glasco
2. ‘Howling’ (2:55) Oliver, Glover, Yassein, Ben Labenski
3. ‘Call It A Night’ (4:07) Glover, Yassein
4. ‘You Can Side’ (2:54) Yassein
5. ‘I Won’t Be Back’ (3:19) Andrew Oliver, Yassein, Daniel Fernandez
‘Songs To Break Up To’ (2020, Nettwerk 067003652629)
1. ‘Left Off’ (3:16) Glover, Yassein
2. ‘Small Talk’ (2:46) Oliver, Glover, Yassein, Julien Laferriere
3. ‘Kinda Feels Alright’ (3:11) Yassein, Robyn Dell’Unto
4. ‘Do Or Die’ (3:33) Audra Mae, Yassein
5. ‘Thinking ‘Bout Love’ (3:19) Yassein, Robyn Dell’Unto
6. ‘I Do’ – bonus track (3:04) Glover, Yassein, Robyn Dell’Unto
Albums:
‘Wild Rivers’ (April 2016, self-released) with Ben Labenski (drums), Chris Altmann (Pedal Steel) and Kirk Starkey (Cello)
1. ‘Wandering Child’ (3:04)
2. ‘Blue June’ (2:51)
3. ‘Already Gone’ (3:42)
4. ‘Mayday’ (2:40)
5. ‘Speak Too Soon’ (2:53)
6. ‘Rolling Stone’ (1:57)
7. ‘Paul Simon’ (3:51)
8. ‘Undercover’ (3:37)
9. ‘Heart Attack’ (4:20)
‘Sidelines’ (February 2022, Nettwerk 067003128315) co-produced with Peter Katis
1. ‘More Or Less’ (4:04) Oliver, Glover, Yassein
2. ‘Bedrock’ (3:30) Yassein, Robyn Dell’Unto. ‘I can’t keep crawling back, I’m out of the red then down to the bedrock.’
3. ‘Long Time’ (3:16) Yassein. A solo Devan standout.
4. ‘Stubborn Heart’ (2:39) Oliver, Glover, Yassein. With a tour video. Nothing is as strong as a stubborn heart.
5. ‘Amsterdam’ (3:33) Glover, Yassein
6. ‘Weatherman’ (3:05) Oliver, Glover, Yassein. ‘Thoughts can take you on a ride, I’m a satellite, you’re a starry night.’
7. ‘Untouchable’ (2:47) Khalid Yassein. Acoustic Khalid solo, ‘three words you stole, no truth untold, two parts, one whole, untouchable.’
8. ‘Better When We’re Falling Apart’ (3:06) Oliver, Glover, Yassein. The best part of breaking up is when they’re making up.
9. ‘Neon Stars’ (2:41) Yassein, Caitlyn Smith. Acoustic strum, barroom blues. ‘We were only kids back then, lying on some broke down car, thinking out loud, dreaming under neon stars.’
10. ‘Safe Flight’ (3:35) Glover, Yassein. His voice strains for effect. Flight is a metaphor for a relationship. An ‘eavestrough’ is a gutter.
‘Never Better’ (2024)
1. ‘Never Better’ (2:51) Devan Glover, Khalid Yassein, Andrew Oliver, Tim Bran, Roy Kerr. A count-in to jumpy complicated cross-rhythms and infidelity guilt. A strong drum-thump.
2. ‘Cave’ (2:58) Devan Glover, Khalid Yassein, Andrew Oliver, Tim Bran, Roy Kerr, Kate York, Jarrad K. The album’s second single.
3. ‘Everywhere I Go’ (2:56) Khalid Yassein, Alex Hope, Brett Truitt. Trailed as an early single.
4. ‘Dance’ (2:54) Devan Glover. Slow and dreamy, with richly cooing backing voices. ‘I want to know you more, but I’m trying to play it cool.’ Jazzy cadences.
5. ‘Backfire’ (3:33) Devan Glover. ‘But it was too hot to touch, double-edged.’ Neither made the first move, now she regrets the lost opportunity. A Devan solo vocal. Heavy percussion, electronic ripples.
6. ‘Hardly Ever’ (2:39) Devan Glover, Khalid Yassein Andrew Oliver, Derek Fuhrmann. She’s better off without him, she tries to convince herself. More up-tempo… like a Taylor Swift outtake.
7. ‘Anyways, I Love You’ (3:46) Khalid Yassein, Brett Truitt, Trent Dabbs. They are ‘two stubborn flames in a paper house.’ A long instrumental coda.
8. ‘Morongo Valley (Interlude)’ (0:49) Wild Rivers. A percussive drone with studio dialogue.
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