Agnès Varda & Pier Paolo Pasolini, New York, 1967

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Agnès Varda: Would you please tell me your definitions of reality and fiction?

Pier Paolo Pasolini: There’s no difference between reality and fiction, because cinema is reality expressing itself through itself. In reality, I can photograph a man walking down the street. He’s not aware that he’s being filmed, and this is reality. If  I choose an actor to play that man, then there’s another reality, the actor’s reality. But it’s always reality, it’s never fiction.

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AV: The other day you said you’re a Marxist who is missing faith.

PPP: My relationship with religion is so dark, I can’t talk about it. I don’t have a film education, I approached movies at 40, so my culture is more figurative than cinematic.

AV: You make extensive use of images of the Christian religion.

PPP: It’s not images of the Christian religion, but of Italian paintings. Little by little I abandoned my obesession with images. I’m sorry, I’m obsessed with this aesthetic, and so I have to take a shot with the same love a painter has for his painting.

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